
I hope you get as big a kick out of this as I did. Here are a couple of recent craigslist ads I did not reply to. I mean, yeah, there’s getting work just to make money. But then, there’s getting work just so you can make fun of your new client.
So, maybe I might have tried to get on one of these projects, just so that I could get some Dibert-esque, “You gotta be kidding!?” blog posts out of them. But I didn’t want to have to deal with the headaches, hypertension, gastritis, and murderous impulses. So I figured instead I’d just write about them here. That should help guarantee that they never hire me. (Whew!)
First up, a startup company advertising for a Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP developer. Hey, that’s right up my alley! But… Uh… I can only imagine that they’re actually serious. Frankly, this reads like a joke to me. (I added the yellow highlighting below, so that you’ll see what I mean.)
LAMP Programmer – PHP – startup
LAMP programmer needed to come in and pick up where another person left off. You must be available to start immediately and be skilled with PHP, MySQL and jquery.
The design is completed in valid XHTML & CSS. You will be responsible for wiring [sic] the entire backend of the site by the end of this week.
Please reply with qualifications, hourly rate and availability.
(If you are local and are a technical rockstar with high energy we will consider you for our team. )
- it’s NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
- Compensation: uncompetitive
Yes, that last line actually does say that their compensation is uncompetitive.
And whenever an ad says it’s looking for a “technical rockstar,” warning lights go flashing through my mind, because that usually means they have an impossible task that they don’t know how to handle, because they’re not willing to listen to reason.
So, the translated version reads like this: We hired someone to develop this website for us, but he completed only half the project and bailed— Hmm. I wonder why? So basically, we need someone to come in and take the blame when the fit hits the shan at the end of the week. You game?
Here’s another one, not quite as bad as the ad above, but funny nonetheless.
Drupal/PHP Developer needed ASAP. Referral reward available. (Medford, MA)
Hello everyone,
We are a small web development firm located in Medford, MA. We specialize in open source application development using Drupal. We mostly create custom modules for Drupal or modify existing modules to meet the needs of the client. We are looking for someone who knows PHP very well and knows how to develop for Drupal…
You must be able to work on-site, preferably 3-5 days a week we are usually at the office 10am – 10pm almost 7 days a week so hours are very flexible. This might eventually turn into a full time position if you interested in the future but at the moment we are only looking to sub-contract individuals. This is a GREAT opportunity for a college student, recent graduate, someone looking for a job or a side gig.
[ . . . ]
About us: We are currently 3 people working at the company. We are all young professionals (24-26) and take our job and company very seriously. We also have a videogame room to relax in at the end of the day if you’re into that sort of thing.
Thank you.
- Location: Medford, MA
- it’s NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
- Compensation: Around $17-$28/HR rate might change based on the project + your experience
Custom Drupal modules? Again, right up my alley! They were actually doing pretty well (grammatical errors aside) until they hit that “college student, recent graduate” bit.
Yeah, there’s the “on-site” garbage—I believe I talked about that in another recent post. The only two reasons why they’d want on-site is (1) in order to make sure the project team could always communicate—unlikely for a project of this size—or (2) because they don’t trust the consultant—and that’s a wonderful foundation on which to build a new business relationship. But the “on-site” thing is something that can possibly be negotiated later, like the rate.
In this case, however, I think I can understand why they want an on-site contractor and why they might not trust the consultant (as it were) to behave professionally. Because they’re looking to pay “around $17-$28/hr” for college students or green-behind-the-ears brand-new graduates. That makes perfect sense, because they themselves (all 3 of them) are pretty green. And since they’re all in their 20’s, they probably want someone they can look down on (rather than someone who could actually make their project a success).
(And the line about the “videogame room” just cements that perception in place. Yes, having policies that allow developers to relax and to think is of upmost importance, but in this context, it seems like they’re just trying to appeal to the frat-boy element. I can even imagine them saying, as I was told on one interview when I was in my 20’s, “We know how to have fun here, but when it’s time to work, we work.” That comment made me suspicious even those many years ago, that the manager would think he needed to say that to me. And just imagining it now, makes me sick to my stomach.)
My prediction: These custom Drupal modules they’re building, as many of them are actually worth anything, within a year will be a hoard of living dead. Then they’ll need to start all over again from scratch. But they probably won’t. Instead, they’ll hire one hacker after another to try to keep the company afloat, like a poorly constructed boat with just too many holes designed into the hull. That’s fine, I guess, because it means they can always hire for the lowest common denominator. It also means they’ll be spending a lot more money in the long run, and getting less and less value as time goes on.
When they say they take their “job and company very seriously,” what they mean is that they have a lot of passion for it. Yeah, I understand that. I remember passion. I’m even still able to muster some, from time to time, in my old age. I also understand that a junior staff needs the benefit of someone more experienced, to offset the foolishness and inexperience of youth. If these guys were smart, they’d allocate $70-$100/hr (or more) for a veteran web software developer to come in once or twice a week (at the very least) and advise them.
Eh well. I guess we all have to make our own mistakes. C’est la vie.
-TimK
Hysterical! Thanks for sharing, got my morning off to a good start with a good laugh.
Yup, I went through the same thing a few years back. Some job descriptions would actually say ‘recent college grad’ & ‘5-10 years experience’ in the same sentence. And have the pay for an entry level position.
I actually got forwarded a job posting recently for a ‘Director of I.T.’ so the person would need hands on experience in the whole sha-bang-a-babg (coding, server set-up etc.). I asked for the salary range and they came back with ‘$50K’. I responded back thinking they meant $150K…nope…
Best is when the job specs >n-years experience – in a technology that is n-1 years old. Yeah, I’d like to hook up with time travelers & clairvoyants too.
Good post and I’ve been there before myself. It’s amazing how people just don’t have the first clue about time and cost when it comes to web development. They think “hey, I go on the internet all the time. There are web sites there. And since there are so many web sites, they must be super easy to build.”
Additionally, these companies will absolutely find someone to do the job, and they’ll get what they pay for. They’ll also have to pay more than double to fix the problems with what they get for the lowball price.
And I love “the entire back end by the end of this week.” Maybe if they’re talking about installing a completely out-of-the-box install of wordpress, but anything other than that is completely laughable.
Last month I saw a craigslist ad for a position in a town in Oregon. They were looking for a recent computer science grad for $10/hr. Thanks, H1B!
Heh, I’ve always had an inchoate dislike of job listings that mention “rockstars” and “[some technology] ninjas”, but this post lends it some form.
Maybe I’ll email recruiters telling them I’m a “.NET Juggalo.”
Pretty cool, Tim. You’re linked over at Universal Hub, one of my fave sites. I usually access you from my place, but today you ARE a rockstar
Paul: You’re welcome. Glad you enjoyed the post.
Bro Jim: Love the entry-level–5-10-years thing. And regarding the other: $50K?! When I was back at YC*** mumble-mumble years ago, and some people were taking pay cuts so they could stay on board, I was still making more than that!
Michael: I remember job ads like that for Java programmers back in the day. “10 years Java experience” or some such, and java had been invented only a few years previously. I guess now, it would probably be Rails. I haven’t been paying attention to ads for Ruby developers, so I don’t know whether there are any “Ruby on Rails 5-10 years experience” (when Rails is only 3.5 years old).
Nathan: They might have been talking about installing a stock CMS, because the ad did say “wiring the entire backend.” I assumed that was a typo. But maybe they got a graphic designer to do the HTML/CSS part, and now they need someone to install WordPress (or Drupal or Joomla) and translate the HTML demo into a stock theme. Still, I wouldn’t commit to completing that in less than a week, even if the graphic designer knew how to design for online CMS’s. Even so, that “compensation: uncompetitive” for a rush job? Eh… Might make a fun blog post, but I’m not in the mood right now, thanks.
Bruce: Actually, I wouldn’t mind paying $10/hr for a brand new grad, as long as I’d have at least one senior developer for each such grad. Such a position sounds like an internship of sorts, rather than a real position. I could ask him to hunt down bugs, and I could pair-program with him, and that could make for a wonderful experience for both of us. But he’d end up wanting a pretty big raise pretty darn fast.
Jim: Ha! That sounds pretty funny. Any company silly enough to bite probably deserves what they get, if you follow through on the “Juggalo” act. (For anyone who hasn’t heard the term Juggalo before, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo
Suldog: That’s pretty kewl. I love it when I off the cuff write something like this, and it resonates. Now that you’re all here, I’m looking for dedicated fans to build my fan-base. Not willing to pay anything, but you’ll learn a lot about how opinionated I am, and I’ll give you stock in my non-existent company. Any takers?
enjoy the fact that you can still get picky about IT salary proposals in the USA, as it might not last much longer. There are perhaps millions of candidates that will gladly accept the scorned $50k for that position…outsourcing is a gold mine for IT firms, just not startups.
Excellent! Great!! This is the kind of stuff a great book should be made of! Too many exclamation points? No! Not enough. Write the book! Collect these want ads into something that can be very informative with a hilarious twist for perspective employees. Every out of work programmer/engineer should buy it.
Good idea to collect the funny, the ridiculous, and the red flags from job ads into a book! I’ll post some more about that, see how well the idea goes over.